Several blogs, among them Countercultural Father , have recently pointed out a perceived need for respect and courtesy when arguing with those who support abortion. It has been suggested that they will never be convinced of the rightness of the pro-life cause if they are vilified with insulting slogans or expressions like 'murderer'. Polite persuasion will work better. Their correspondents seem to agree.
They have, it seems, like racists, nazis, proponents of legalised pederasty, slave-traders and holocaust deniers, a right to their point of view.
With me so far? Good!
Pornography, contraception, and abortion are big business. Abortion feeds off unreliable contraception, the demand for which is stimulated by pornography. Nice little earners.
As to slavery, William Cowper wrote a poem in which he decried slavery, but said he felt bound to support it, as he liked plantation sugar in his tea, as did so many of his compatriots. A source of comfort for the evil men who were able to profit from cheaper sugar, and cotton. Slavery helped make Britain richer. Dulwich College was founded with the pofits of slavery. Cui bono indeed.
Nazism, too, was big business, supported by German tycoons who could smell a fast buck a mile off, and had a gluttonous appetite for slave labour. If there is a moral distinction to be made between between the enslavement and murder of innocent Jews and the very profitable murder of unborn children, someone should perhaps explain it to me, for it is beyond my feeble powers of comprehension.
You can argue that abortion is not murder because it is legal. So were the massacre, destruction, ruin and enslavement of nations which Germany wrought on Europe. The Nuremberg Laws and the diktats of Hitler were, after all, German law.
Would you have conducted your dealings with the unspeakable - people like Hans Frank, Joseph Mengele, Marie Stopes, or Margaret Sanger, with courtesy? I think and hope not. What would be the point? The hope that through courteous discussion you might change what they were pleased to call their minds? I don't think so. Better speak the noble truth and tell them to their face what they were. It might even have served a secondary purpose and forced them to try to think.
In the UK, the end of the slave trade, one of the vilest blots on the nation's history, came about through the work of abolitionists like Wilberforce and his supporters, who were fortunate and successful because the country they addressed with reason, passion, and rhetoric was still receptive to reason, passion, and rhetoric, and still to an extent a Christian nation.
The modern UK, with its wrecked education, its addiction to sensation, fatuous television, catchpenny lying newspapers, and in possession of the powers of reasoning of an imbecile, would be immune to Wilberforce. Britain is forever largely a prey to slogans, catchphrases, advertising, the tenth rate, and the comfortable, and incapable of recognising, not just the truth, but the possibility that the truth can be ascertained.
In the USA, the end of slavery came about through heroes like John Brown, and through civil war.
Polite discourse will not stop the evil of abortion.
Sadly, I do not know what will.
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Unusually, I disagree with you here - and think that you misunderstand the points I am making (if this is inpart a rebuttal of my recent post). Will post further on this at my place. BT
Ben Trovato - I demur only at the last part of your last paragraph:
"We must make our case clearly, robustly and unapologetically (AGREED), but rhetoric that simply demonises others (‘child murderer’, for example) will neither convince them nor third parties (AGREED, BUT IT MAY RALLY OUR SIDE, AS THE INSULTING SPEECHES OF CHURCHILL RALLIED THE ALLIES) and is in breach of charity, (I DISAGREE AND WOULD ARGUE THAT CHARITY IS OWED FAR MORE TO THE UNBORN THAN TO ABORTIONISTS AND PRO-ABORTIONISTS) as it makes an assumption about their knowledge, free will, active intention etc that we are not entitled to make."
I was not shouting, merely capitalising to distinguish my comments from yours, and am largely in agreement with your post and your correspondents, apart from "Scout".
I'm looking forward to your next.
I love the math of equating Abortion with contraception and pornography. Sometimes this gets ignored when it is painfully evident! God Bless!
We are of one mind on this. God bless!
I remember the horror Auberon Waugh invoked when he said that if one ever met an architect at a diner party or reception one should throw one's glass of wine over him. Why was this so awful? Because it sinned against politeness and convention.
I was brought up in a community in which a number of boys my age had fathers who spent periods of absence from the home. they were criminals, in prison, and we just didn't mention it. Should I have execrated them, or their parents? Obviously not.
But they, and their families, knew that they were criminals: they might not have had the same respect for The Law as socisty expected, but they knew there were rules, and that if they challenged the rules, they were likely to come off worst. So we didn't say anything, and the PP made them apparators to make sure that the collection was safe.
Those involved in abortion don't just not believe that they are doing wrong; they think of what they are doing as a positive benefit. I don't think that the rules of civilised discourse can apply, because that would be to accept that their point of view has at least a degree of vailidity that makes their beliefs at least debatable.
We can't going round throwing wine all over them (not at £7.99 a bottle - they're not worth it), but we can't engage with them as though there is any level of moral equality: compare Chamberlain and Churchill's manner of dealing with the Nazis (mutatis mutandis) and I think we start to get a clue.
Ttony - I had not heard the Auberon Waugh story before. It's delightful, but as you say, for us poorer mortals a waste of wine and money. Perhaps better a glass of nasty lager.
Your comments about Chamberlain and Churchill are very much to the point and I heartily endorse them.
You might like to read my even nastier next post. No wonder the prods didn't like the Book of Sirach or Ecclesiasticus.
These guys who talk about 'dialogue' and 'respect' and blah, blah, blah,..especially when it concerns life or death as in the case of abortion, need their heads examined...either that or they just don't have any balls!
Marco - I guess you're right on both counts - they're half-witted eunuchs. Not worth talking or listening to.
And there's an ad hominem attack!
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